Ken’s Take on Prop Bolts and Tightening – GG Repost

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      Roscoe Rosché
      Keymaster

      Hi Gang, (especially Tiger and Super Cheetah owners),
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      > Following the threads on this subject, I want to clarify some things so
      > everyone is on the same page.  First, the reason we have the problem is
      > twofold. The original spinners on the Tigers and Cheetahs had the backplate
      > sandwiched between the propeller hub and the spacer.  These (especially
      > Tigers) were cracking like they were made of glass, in the late 70s, so the
      > Grumman Engineers went to work to develop a fix in the form of (first) a
      > similar unit to the old AA-1 series, which had a fixed aluminum forward
      > bulkhead riveted into the dome.  It still cracked.  The next-gen was what we
      > have now (SK143-1 & -2) which took some time to get certified.  (There was a
      > service letter available from Grumman that allowed the planes to fly with
      > the entire spinner and aft bulkhead removed until the new design spinner
      > system was available.
      >
      >
      >
      > There was an unexpected problem with installing the new spinners in that the
      > McCauley prop bolts were barely long enough to be legal with the original
      > spinners.  The new aft bulkhead was twice the thickness of the original plus
      > the forward bulkhead and its required steel doubler were added for a total
      > additional 0.123 (to 0.128 with a TCB composite front bulkhead) of
      > bulkhead material what subtracts from the available thread penetration of
      > the prop. bolts.  Thats an eighth of an inch!  For this reason the SK-143
      > kit instructions said to omit the washers under the bolt heads which caused
      > serious damage to the metal of that steel doubler.  Thats all for the first
      > part of the twofold problem.  The 2nd part was that the propeller drive
      > bushings (the things pressed into the crankshaft flange) were specified at
      > Lycoming (by some dummy) to be of the length normally found in engines that
      > would get a constant speed prop installed on it.  Two of them are shorter
      > than the other four.  When the starter ring gear support assy. is installed
      > there is none of the shorter two protruding through the front of the support
      > and only a tiny bit of the other four.  When the backplate is placed over
      > these they barely peek through the holes enough to get the propeller
      > spacers counter bores to have anything to slide over.  Now someone has to
      > start the prop bolts into the drive bushing threads and run them in until
      > they contact the forward bulkhead doubler and draw it snug to the propeller.
      > What happens to cause the punch out of the bulkhead is it tends to slip off
      > of the drive bushings and rest on the prop bolts.  When it is torqued down,
      > the leading edge of the bushings and the counter bores of the prop spacer
      > acct as a die and receiver punch that clips out a crescent shaped piece of
      > the bulkhead at each of the 4 protruding bushings.  (This will cause the
      > holes in the spinner not to align with all the ones in the aft and forward
      > bulkheads and should stop any mechanic who is awake from continuing and
      > start looking for a problem.  We see some spinners with elongated holes that
      > were filed out to force it to allow all the screws to be installed.  Of
      > course the back of the spinner will wobble.)
      >
      >
      >
      > NOW, try to picture all this going on with one person doing the job.  The
      > maintenance manual revision, which covered the new spinner system (that was
      > standard on about the last 320 or so Tigers in 1979) suggested taping the
      > aft bulkhead to the nose cowl to hold it in place while the prop was
      > installed.  This does kind of work but still two people doing the
      > installation is much better though still not foolproof.
      >
      >
      >
      > When I did the first installation of the Sensenich 76EM8S10-0-(pitch)
      > propellers, on the 180 HP Cheetah conversion development, Sensenich did not
      > have the right length bolts since they had never built the dash 10 spacer
      > version of the 76EM8 prop.  We had to use McCauley bolts until them got them
      > made and certified.  They designed the new bolts < inch longer than the
      > McCauley bolts which allowed using the washers and still getting adequate
      > penetration through the drive bushing threads.  This was in early 1981 and
      > the problem of punched out aft bulkheads had not yet become a wide spread
      > problem.  Soon after the STC was issued for converting Cheetahs to 180 HP,
      > Ameromod Corp. was awarded STC SA1195NW approving the installation of the
      > same series of Sensenich propellers on AA-5B aircraft.  When the punched
      > bulkhead thing did become noticed as a more common a problem, nothing was
      > done about it in form of even a service letter, let alone any attempt to
      > correct the root source.
      >
      >
      >
      > In late 1985, after the split of Ameromod Corporation and we formed Air Mods
      > N.W., I certified the 2nd STC for installing the Sensenich propellers on
      > Tigers.  Part of this new STC covered a fix for the bulkhead syndrome by
      > authorizing the replacement of the two shortest drive bushings with much
      > longer ones (from the O-360-A4M model engine) OR replacing all 6 of them.
      > The Cheetahs and Travelers never had the problem due to longer drive
      > bushings which held the aft bulkhead in place during installation.  This
      > offered the same effect on the Tiger when the bushings were replaced.
      >
      >
      >
      > Another fix STC SA3326NM offered is a much more detailed installation
      > instruction for putting the propeller on without damaging the bulkhead.  It
      > also covers what can be considered for the airworthiness of a damaged
      > bulkhead.  If there are still two undamaged holes in it, it can be used with
      > the longer drive bushings or possibly indexed differently than recommended
      > in the maintenance manual.  (This can help offset the cost of the two drive
      > bushings if you choose to replace them. they cost around 500 bucks for the
      > pair.)
      >
      >
      >
      > The bottom line of all this verbiage is that there is a way to eliminate the
      > problem of installation damage.  As for the statement made by Dave Fletcher
      > regarding the requirement of checking the torque of the bolts at annual.  He
      > is absolutely correct.  However, removing the prop does create the risk of
      > damaging the bulkhead on reinstallation.  If you know it was not damaged
      > before, and the prop was correctly installed, I would not recommend doing
      > more than to break the torque, back out the bolts far enough to inspect the
      > front bulkhead for cracks, and re-tighten the bolts.  If you do not know,
      > and cannot verify, the correctness of the installation it is a good idea to
      > pull the prop and inspect the aft bulkhead.  If the bolts are installed
      > without the washers, you should add them.  I use an MS27183-18 washer
      > instead of the AN960-8 which has a greater outside diameter and spreads the
      > pressure of the highly torqued.   bolt causing less damage to the doubler
      > and forward bulkhead lessening the tendency for the bulkhead to crack around
      > the outside of the print of the washer.
      >
      >
      >
      > OK, that is your lesson in Grummanology from The GURU for today.  If
      > anyone wants to discuss it with me, please call me or e-mail direct.
      >
      >
      >
      > Ken Blackman
      >
      > Air Mods N.W.

    • #15273
      Craig Hill
      Participant

      Ken I have a question can you call me at 901-830-8610 thanks Craig Hill

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